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		<title>By: Ces</title>
		<link>http://mmaopinion.com/2009/10/13/national-cage-fighting-in-tucson/comment-page-1/#comment-11006</link>
		<dc:creator>Ces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article has all kinds of links to it on the web, im surprised. I did think that Kobe was dominating the fight up to the point the ref had to stop it because of a cut on the forehead. As far as holding the cage, I dont know any professionals that haven&#039;t used the cage slightly. Tim used it to keep the stunna from pounding his head in the opening seconds during the first ground and pound. 

You see Tim putting his toes into the cage..lol...pushing off and resting his legs there so that stunna didnt ground and pound him during full mount. That&#039;s illegal right? Write about that. 

I see deigo sanchez, hector lambard, chuck lidell, everyone always always holds on slightly, its instinct. Plus stunna was just leaning on it, not really holding on for dear life like you said.  I saw stunna land 35 strikes during that 2.5 minutes. Stunna had 100% of the ring control including full mounting, half mount and stand up against wagner.  Wagners frist armbar attempt at the start was unsuccessfuly, stunna just shook him off and got full mount.  Wagner never had any heel hooks or leg bars, but was holding on to them for dear life.  

Wagner got a huge break when the ref stood them up from the point deduction. During stand up, he was also then outmatched by stunna, but got a knee in that didnt make the stunna even flinched, I still dont know if that really made the cut, but its possible. Stunna kept punching and bumping wagner forcefully into the cage and fight revolved halfways around the cage walls. Many headbutts could have happend there.  Then reff stopped the fight because of the cut. 

 Now to say that Stunna was not dominating up to that point would be a lie. Stunna landed over 35 strikes, Wagner 1, Stunna mounted Tim twice, Tim none, Submissions Stunna 0, Tim 0,  Deducting 1 point from Stunna for head punch. Up to that point I scored the fight 7-10, or 7-9 with the point. Ref was doing his job, but I think fight could have went till end of round. Wagner was already done, you could see it in his eyes, he was leaning over in pain after the ref stopped it, then he was so surprised the medical stopped it and he got the technical knock out due to cut, he jumped around like he was smoking rocks. That was definitely, his LUCKY DAY!  

Unless you train to win buy cutting people, you need to put razor blades, thumbtacks in your gloves to get wins.  Cuts happen, I&#039;m sure the intention of his knee was to got a KO or hurt stunna, but that didn&#039;t happen at all. It was misfortune that a cut had to be the deciding factor of that fights ending. 

Take a look at another fight that suffered a similar decision.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3999551474389660793&amp;ei=PRnaSo2lK4ycwgPnlqBB&amp;q=fedor+s+only++loss&amp;hl=en#

I bet Tim wont want a rematch because he knows he cant beat the stunna or what happened in that video might happen to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article has all kinds of links to it on the web, im surprised. I did think that Kobe was dominating the fight up to the point the ref had to stop it because of a cut on the forehead. As far as holding the cage, I dont know any professionals that haven&#8217;t used the cage slightly. Tim used it to keep the stunna from pounding his head in the opening seconds during the first ground and pound. </p>
<p>You see Tim putting his toes into the cage..lol&#8230;pushing off and resting his legs there so that stunna didnt ground and pound him during full mount. That&#8217;s illegal right? Write about that. </p>
<p>I see deigo sanchez, hector lambard, chuck lidell, everyone always always holds on slightly, its instinct. Plus stunna was just leaning on it, not really holding on for dear life like you said.  I saw stunna land 35 strikes during that 2.5 minutes. Stunna had 100% of the ring control including full mounting, half mount and stand up against wagner.  Wagners frist armbar attempt at the start was unsuccessfuly, stunna just shook him off and got full mount.  Wagner never had any heel hooks or leg bars, but was holding on to them for dear life.  </p>
<p>Wagner got a huge break when the ref stood them up from the point deduction. During stand up, he was also then outmatched by stunna, but got a knee in that didnt make the stunna even flinched, I still dont know if that really made the cut, but its possible. Stunna kept punching and bumping wagner forcefully into the cage and fight revolved halfways around the cage walls. Many headbutts could have happend there.  Then reff stopped the fight because of the cut. </p>
<p> Now to say that Stunna was not dominating up to that point would be a lie. Stunna landed over 35 strikes, Wagner 1, Stunna mounted Tim twice, Tim none, Submissions Stunna 0, Tim 0,  Deducting 1 point from Stunna for head punch. Up to that point I scored the fight 7-10, or 7-9 with the point. Ref was doing his job, but I think fight could have went till end of round. Wagner was already done, you could see it in his eyes, he was leaning over in pain after the ref stopped it, then he was so surprised the medical stopped it and he got the technical knock out due to cut, he jumped around like he was smoking rocks. That was definitely, his LUCKY DAY!  </p>
<p>Unless you train to win buy cutting people, you need to put razor blades, thumbtacks in your gloves to get wins.  Cuts happen, I&#8217;m sure the intention of his knee was to got a KO or hurt stunna, but that didn&#8217;t happen at all. It was misfortune that a cut had to be the deciding factor of that fights ending. </p>
<p>Take a look at another fight that suffered a similar decision.</p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3999551474389660793&amp;ei=PRnaSo2lK4ycwgPnlqBB&amp;q=fedor+s+only++loss&amp;hl=en#" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3999551474389660793&amp;ei=PRnaSo2lK4ycwgPnlqBB&amp;q=fedor+s+only++loss&amp;hl=en#</a></p>
<p>I bet Tim wont want a rematch because he knows he cant beat the stunna or what happened in that video might happen to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Yael Grauer</title>
		<link>http://mmaopinion.com/2009/10/13/national-cage-fighting-in-tucson/comment-page-1/#comment-11002</link>
		<dc:creator>Yael Grauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anything, I&#039;d be biased (er, I mean, bioest) in favor of Ortiz. He wrestled for one of my coaches, who I have more respect for than almost anyone. 

Here&#039;s another video of Ortiz grabbing the cage... *sigh* 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvOfQ3C0IzU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything, I&#8217;d be biased (er, I mean, bioest) in favor of Ortiz. He wrestled for one of my coaches, who I have more respect for than almost anyone. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another video of Ortiz grabbing the cage&#8230; *sigh*<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvOfQ3C0IzU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvOfQ3C0IzU</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yael, Your BLIND as a Bat if you said you watched the fights from cage side. You know nothing about fighting, just what someone instructs you, your not born for the sport. Your just bioestly telegraphing your story from the eyes of the opposing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yael, Your BLIND as a Bat if you said you watched the fights from cage side. You know nothing about fighting, just what someone instructs you, your not born for the sport. Your just bioestly telegraphing your story from the eyes of the opposing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mini Miner</title>
		<link>http://mmaopinion.com/2009/10/13/national-cage-fighting-in-tucson/comment-page-1/#comment-10997</link>
		<dc:creator>Mini Miner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHA! 

 I heard he trains with a couple mutated Gold Miners that never left the site which gained super human strength from all the gasses underground, and they gave him super human strength! 

Ask Tim Wagner how strong he was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA! </p>
<p> I heard he trains with a couple mutated Gold Miners that never left the site which gained super human strength from all the gasses underground, and they gave him super human strength! </p>
<p>Ask Tim Wagner how strong he was.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucifer</title>
		<link>http://mmaopinion.com/2009/10/13/national-cage-fighting-in-tucson/comment-page-1/#comment-10987</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard Jake doesn&#039;t even train with a team or in a real gym! I heard he trains underground in an old abandoned mine shaft a mile below the ground under the old Copper Mining Town of San Manuel, AZ... with the devil himself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard Jake doesn&#8217;t even train with a team or in a real gym! I heard he trains underground in an old abandoned mine shaft a mile below the ground under the old Copper Mining Town of San Manuel, AZ&#8230; with the devil himself!</p>
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		<title>By: Kobe The Stunna</title>
		<link>http://mmaopinion.com/2009/10/13/national-cage-fighting-in-tucson/comment-page-1/#comment-10986</link>
		<dc:creator>Kobe The Stunna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im glad to see you are writing about me! “Any publicity is good publicity”. You are disgusted with me “because of my actions”! “you are disgusted of me, for taking whats mine”! You are disgusted with me, “because I am not afraid to take a point in order to crush my opponent”! I am a modern day Gladiator&quot;!  “When a lion is Hungry he eats” (Kobe the Stunna 2009).

And thanks for writing the biggest article about me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im glad to see you are writing about me! “Any publicity is good publicity”. You are disgusted with me “because of my actions”! “you are disgusted of me, for taking whats mine”! You are disgusted with me, “because I am not afraid to take a point in order to crush my opponent”! I am a modern day Gladiator&#8221;!  “When a lion is Hungry he eats” (Kobe the Stunna 2009).</p>
<p>And thanks for writing the biggest article about me!</p>
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		<title>By: Yael Grauer</title>
		<link>http://mmaopinion.com/2009/10/13/national-cage-fighting-in-tucson/comment-page-1/#comment-10985</link>
		<dc:creator>Yael Grauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad--I corrected that error after verifying with Lion&#039;s Den. What happened was that we were given a fight card that had the names in blue and red--presumably one for the blue corner and one for the red corner. But in the actual fight the corners were reversed. We thought it was only correct for the first fight but must&#039;ve been wrong. But I stand behind everything I wrote about the back of the head punches and cage grabbing. And honestly it is hard to say who would&#039;ve been the better fighter since if there was no cheating going on it would&#039;ve been a different fight. That was a great knee though.

I&#039;m going to contact the other reporter who was with me who witnessed the same thing I did. We are independent reporters. I sometimes make errors which I&#039;m not afraid to admit. Mitch was obviously one of them... also I did not do the write-up immediately following the fights as I normally do because I was competing the very next day at the BJJ tourney (thanks Cale for the props) so some inaccuracies are to be expected. Was disgusted by Jacob&#039;s behavior however and if I see anything like it again I&#039;ll continue to write about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad&#8211;I corrected that error after verifying with Lion&#8217;s Den. What happened was that we were given a fight card that had the names in blue and red&#8211;presumably one for the blue corner and one for the red corner. But in the actual fight the corners were reversed. We thought it was only correct for the first fight but must&#8217;ve been wrong. But I stand behind everything I wrote about the back of the head punches and cage grabbing. And honestly it is hard to say who would&#8217;ve been the better fighter since if there was no cheating going on it would&#8217;ve been a different fight. That was a great knee though.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to contact the other reporter who was with me who witnessed the same thing I did. We are independent reporters. I sometimes make errors which I&#8217;m not afraid to admit. Mitch was obviously one of them&#8230; also I did not do the write-up immediately following the fights as I normally do because I was competing the very next day at the BJJ tourney (thanks Cale for the props) so some inaccuracies are to be expected. Was disgusted by Jacob&#8217;s behavior however and if I see anything like it again I&#8217;ll continue to write about it.</p>
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		<title>By: DeMayo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeMayo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitch also won his fight, that was also wrong in you story. When is HD Net airing all these fights? I&#039;d like to see them, I bet they&#039;ll be realllll helpful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch also won his fight, that was also wrong in you story. When is HD Net airing all these fights? I&#8217;d like to see them, I bet they&#8217;ll be realllll helpful!</p>
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		<title>By: Yael Grauer</title>
		<link>http://mmaopinion.com/2009/10/13/national-cage-fighting-in-tucson/comment-page-1/#comment-10983</link>
		<dc:creator>Yael Grauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, you&#039;re right--I remember now. I just remember the ref screaming over and over again how he was gonna take a point away if Jacob grabbed the fence again and then when he immediately grabbed the fence he just said &quot;stop grabbing the fucking fence&quot; (in a British accent). In any case I&#039;ve never seen such a blatant disregard for the basic rules of MMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, you&#8217;re right&#8211;I remember now. I just remember the ref screaming over and over again how he was gonna take a point away if Jacob grabbed the fence again and then when he immediately grabbed the fence he just said &#8220;stop grabbing the fucking fence&#8221; (in a British accent). In any case I&#8217;ve never seen such a blatant disregard for the basic rules of MMA.</p>
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		<title>By: Yael Grauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yael Grauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Cale, was not aware of that. My bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Cale, was not aware of that. My bad.</p>
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